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I have not lived in Brazil for 5 years but I did live with a Brazilian in NYC for 5 years and can confirm that he was the best at taking every spare penny I made. Damn, his home life was very good. My work life was hectic but in the end, it was a good experience. I enjoy this discussion but please, lets debate the topic and not each other. As for IHPGUY, I have great respect for him and I also saw him work his magic. It works great. But, his command of the language is excellent and he can get away with a lot more than most of us can. He fits in and blends in. I stand out like a sore thumb just waiting to be sucked in by the right guy. We all have different experiences and expectations and that is what makes life so fucking wonderful. I wish I had the skill that ihpguy has or the charm that Tomcal has or the ability to pick up gay boys without pay. I don't. So, I go with my gifts and that is to be the highest bidder in the race. Hey, we all have to use what we have don't we?

This always circles back to WHY people hire. The politically correct thing is to say we should treat people as people, but when you play in the "escort" pool, things are a bit different. It IS a business transaction in reality and the person becomes less human and more of a commodity, like renting a car, except the object has a cock and asshole instead of 4 wheels.... You rent it, use it and return it.... YES, certainly there are those people that hire and HOPE to find a personal connection, build a relationship and have it turn into something MORE, but that is NOT the natural intention of escorting... Overtipping and excessive genorousity is simply a veiled way of gaining the escorts attention and affection and to make him notice YOU. It should NOT be viewed as the same thing as overtipping in a restaurant for good service. There is a much more PERSONAL thing happening with escorting, a service where MONEY TALKS and is the name of the game. Just the very fact that you are paying someone for sex likens the situation to "treating them a piece of meat", truth be told, regardless of how you Consciously want to view it. So stripping away all the cultural and socio-economical stuff, whether you choose the use the word whore, prostitute, etc, it is what it is; one person paying the other to use/abuse his body for a period of time, and it really doesnt require a whole bunch of overthinking or analysis. How you choose to handle the financial part is your own personal business. . . KA-CHING.......

Stunning 2200-Year-Old Mosaics Discovered in Ancient Greek City http://twistedsifter.com/2014/11/2200-year-old-mosaics-discovered-in-ancient-greek-city/ The city's name, btw, is Zeugma, which is also the name of an interesting "figure of speech in which a word applies to two others in different senses (e.g., John and his license expired last week ) or to two others of which it semantically suits only one (e.g., with weeping eyes and hearts )." http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-zeugma.html http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeugma

The boys that I go with come to understand that I do tip with good service. If that service is not there, they do not get a tip. But, if they go above and beyond, so do I. The going rate is fine to pay in any place. A tip is fine in any place is you so desire. That is your call and don't let anyone tell you different. If it is NYC and a 100 tip or Thailand and a 10 USD tip, a tip is appreciated. Again, I disagree. They all tell me that the idiots buy them food and drinks and the intelligent clients tip them. LOL JK I don't think you are an idiot for tipping. I also disagree that the boys find you an idiot. I have had my fair share of long term boys in Thailand and Brazil and USA and I negotiate everything in advance and that is what I pay. I also treat them to a great week or two or three. I take them shopping and I buy them nice things. Perhaps you are right in them thinking I'm an idiot. I'm thinking all the time, how lucky I am to have such a beautiful boy for such a great rate. Winning!

What are they doing over here? . . . . . . . . . OZ must be upgrading again.

PS Not relevant, just an interesting bit from farther down the same site... Untouched Paris Apartment Discovered after 70 years. Includes Painting worth $3.4M http://twistedsifter.com/2014/01/untouched-paris-apartment-discovered-after-70-years/

Trust AdamSmith to find a way to add a little French flair to coprophilia.

Once I heard Bill Maher opine that Glenn Beck was 'very close to playing with his poop' and tumbled to the fact that it wasn't a compliment, I put the thought behind me. Not everyone has been happy with my decision.

I often hear this as well. I think one should pay what on wishes to pay. But, I always pay the local prices. I do this and then, after I tell them this is for the programma, (negotiated in advance), I'll hand them the tip of my choosing. I stopped just paying any amount that I felt was in line with American standards overseas many years back and only negotiate for what the locals pay. Most go. Some don't. But, those that go and get a tip with me always go back if I ask. But, I never negotiate above the local price point.

Wow! This sounds like it is going to be a wild ride! Can't wait to read all about it! Hang on boys, Tomcal is in town!

Should I make tea and brownies for everyone?

I dont claim to be an authority on anything, except Big cocks, and even in that arena, I am still learning... So I am truly out of my element here commenting on the Brazilian escort scene. However, this thread has basically turned into a discussion of the hiring habits and practices of 2 members here, so my comments are focused on that alone... Parisrio, I am sorry for the tone of my previous post, but your comments were as unsettling to me as the pic I posted was to you. I am a bit uneasy about any person "vetting" another, especially when its simply for hire. I can understand if you need to hang onto the idea of the boys you hire being 100% str8, but as the Old saying goes, "if he were 100% str8, he wouldnt be shoving his cock up your ass"... Afterall, he's NOT in prison.... So for you to claim you KNOW with all certainty your boys are Str8 makes me chuckle... The mind is a wonderful thing, it helps us achieve what we need, even if its an orgasm, so I am OK with you seeking out certain types of boys. I'm just NOT as OK with the fervor in which you pursue them . To me its just a bit scary......

Yup, even if its just money.... As for the discussion OZ, sometimes the lines become blurred when people make statements about themselves and their activities. In responding, it just becomes personal by natural progression with No disrespect to anyone.... I hope you can see that ? And honestly, a reply is merely just an opinion of one person, and if its delivered in a manner thats not hostile or threatening, I dont see a problem. Basically, arent these sites or blogs just insights and opinions ????

No, then its just SICK..... You are borderline stalker..... and obsessive I might add. Running a dosier on a potential escort to make sure he is str8 ???? I truly hope you arent serious, and find something more constructive to do with your time. I try not to be judgemental, but you make it Very difficult for me here parisrio....

Another lesson you NEED to learn Sir is that not everything in life is Pleasant, OR about YOU !

Once again, its all Psycholiogical, since you really DONT know their sexual affiliation, you are just ASSUMING it to meet YOUR own personal fantasy. I am not putting you down for it parisrio, but you can see how silly this whole thing is... We create in our own minds the situation we want, and then we go try to manifest it. and we each have our own methods and styles, and TYPES. In reality, the boy you are paying and assuming is str8 could be the GAYEST cocksucker in the hood.... These boys are clever and know what their market wants.. And if they fill your Fantasy, its their job well done.

Catch it Now: ihp and Parisrio

Parisrio suggests he can get escort-caliber boys for FREE... Well then he is simply a fool if he is out there hiring, which also suggests theres something a lot more Psychological going on. Guys that HIRE do so for Control, they want the upper hand, they want to pull the strings and run the show. I have always said that I can get attractive guys without hiring, they may not be escort-caliber, but they are certainly easy on the eyes, and serve MY purpose, and my wallet stays looking very full and pretty . Giving up control is very easy for me when I am saving an average of $250-300.....

Parisrio, I dont tip my doctor or my accountant or my lawyer, in fact I dont tip ANY self employed professional where 100% of the fee goes into his own pocket.... Is just as simple as that... However, in escorting if the boy is working at a brothel type facility I might be inclined to tip him, but not necessarily, and I certainly wouldnt put a ton of thought into it. I would just tip based on my experience and my pocketbook.

Only you can prevent anal tearing.

Just a brief comment on your comment above. ANYBODY can get offered money by Someone. As they say "there's a cover for every pot" Even Grandma Sucky has been offered a few dollars by the guys at the Senior Center......

I feel the same way.

While I can see how there might be no gay people in Portugal, I would bet good money that there are plenty of straight guys who like to suck dick and get fucked.

I agree that the boys are there for the money, but I have friends who travel extensively, like OZ and some of the others on here. From Prague and Zürich, to Montreal, and for years to South America and to South East Asia, and they have told me conclusively that it is generally known from the boys that Americans by and large are far and above superior clients in terms of how they treat them, their understanding, their kindness and generosity, in not only tipping, but in taking the boys shopping and out to eat, and other activities as well. I don't know, but it stands to reason. Americans on a whole are a pretty generous lot, wouldn't you say? At any rate, I'm beginning to like the attitude that the boys are tipped and rewarded, generously if you will, for superior service and attentiveness. A boy being attentive and treating me more like his equal, rather than the old fuck that I am, goes a long way in my book.

It just all sounds too complicated for MY tastes. I dont wanna think about anything when I go out to suck cock, except the cock, and all this "should I tip or shouldnt I tip" just hurts my brain and spoils the experience.... Cant we just "shoplift" them ?????? Grandma just loves to put the Boys up under her skirt and high-tail it out of the place

This controversy boils down to the fact that reasonable people can and do disagree. The issue involves an individual choice. The choice made by one client in connection with the amount the client pays a garoto should not be the concern of another client. Other clients are not paying the garoto that is supposedly getting a higher than the standard usual and customary rate. As to the controversial claim that one client paying a higher fee to a garoto "ruins" it for other clients is foolish and without substance. It was already acknowledged in this thread (and elsewhere) that garotos talk among themselves about clients. Clients that pay more are generally known to the garotos and clients who pay the going rate are also generally known to the garotos. The existence of variety in client habits and patterns does not "ruin" or markedly affect prices for others. It might influence a garoto to attempt to charge more to a foreigner but it does not mean that the garoto will refuse to go with the foreigner for the going rate. To pay the going rate or not to pay the going rate - that is the question - or the issue. So, my vote is to live and let live (or mind your own business when it comes to what others pay a garoto).

When going to a sauna, and a garoto starts chatting you up, the conversation will invariably come around to where the client is from. Wht? Do you think they really care if you are from Toledo, Toronto or Timbuktou? Orlando, Ottawa our Ouagadougou? Cleveland, Caen or Cochin? NOPE. They don't give a hoot where you are from. They only want the money in your wallet. They are there for one reason. They want to do whatever is necessary to get whatever money that is residing in your wallet transferred to their own wallet. By doing whatever is necessary. They are just trying to figure out if the client has a clue as to what the fees they currently get from Brasilians and if they can get you for more. PR2K can be happy to pay 400 or 600or whatever to the "Fabulous Fernando" amd be thrilled getting fleeced, and so be it. Or one can be an educated, knowledgeable consumer and state/offer the going right and have an equally good time for either for half the price or have two sessions for the same price. If the garoto two Tuesdays back were really hot, I'd probably have talked to him more and bargained with him for my normal 100 at 117. But I was so put off when he started at 150, lied to me that the standard fee at 117 was now 200 and then gave me the reason that I would be getting a great deal as there was a Japanese guy who had just paid 400 for a whole 30 minutes. Hey, PR2K. Are you of Asian descent, but the way?

This is absolutely amazing. Despite the decay, you can still see that the decor must have been wonderful.

Sure, blame me for everything. ...The expression nostalgie de la boue was first used in the 1855 play Le Mariage d'Olympe by French playwright Emile Augier. A former courtesan marries a nobleman and tries to pass herself off as a lady, but she cannot escape her craving for her previous base tastes. Here are the relevant speeches from Act I: LE MARQUIS: Mettez un canard sur un lac au milieu des cygnes, vous verrez qu'il regrettera sa mare et finira par y retourner. (Put a duck on a lake in the middle of swans, and you'll see that he will miss his pond and end up going back there) MONTRICHARD: La nostalgie de la boue! http://virtuallinguist.typepad.com/the_virtual_linguist/2009/07/nostalgie-de-la-boue.html

Totally. Totally. Totally. Disagree. Tips are nice and while not expected, I don't think the guys that get them think you are a putz for giving them. I have done the full gambit. I have given tips, shopping trips and paid for entrance fees. All are appreciated. Having run a NYC escort service, I would say that most of the boys were tipped on most calls. IHP, you speak the language and you are there year round and not really a "foreigner" per say. You are a special case. Most of us are not. I am in Thailand often and I have been hiring for 14 years there. I still tip when given good service even though it is not expected. I do so as when I am in town, a boy will drop his bar or club or sauna and spend time with me over anyone else. To me, that is what I want and if I paid only the amount expected without any extras, there would be no incentive.

Are you kidding?! Ever since AdamSmith came up with that fancy French word for it, there's no keeping me away!

Should have put a little gold leaf over the glue. Nobody would ever have noticed.

...almost too much temptation?

Stop it. !!!! You're going to ruin a perfectly delightful Saturday night.

By the way.....BOYS LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PR2K is full of shit. He really needs to seek professional help. He is nuts. The great majority of clients are not foreign travelers at either 117 or Meio Mundo. Brasilians pay 50-60 at Meio Mundo and 80-100 at 117. Paying more is not necessary. Just raises the prices to more than what is required for Brasilian as well. These are not boys. These are male whores. It is a business transaction. Nothing more. Nothing less. The boys/garotos all talk about pricing. If one goes to shop at Macy's and they are having a special promotion, does one refuse to accept the discount and say to the sales person, you can keep the difference? Last week I went to 117. Some garoto wanted 150. I told him that was too much. His response was that a Japanese tourist paid 400Reais for 30 minutes so I should be happy to pay 150. I have an American friend here now who speaks Portuguese and he only pays 80 to100 with an ejaculation at 117. Save your money and get two sex session for what PR2K seems pleased to pay for less than one. Spend the money on something else. Take the boy out of the sauna, treat him to a nice meal and use the rest to pay for an overnight. I could go on and on, but is there really any reason?

While newish to this forum, I've been enjoying Tomcal's vividly tantalizing photo filled reports on other forums for many years now (and even had the pleasure of a brief encounter at 117 once. I sadly haven't been back to Brazil since 2005, (can't believe how fast those 10 years have flown) but your posts always make me want to jump online and book a ticket! I hope (and I'm sure we will) to see a photo of your "best sex ever" blonde. And thanks so very much for all that you do Tom

Queen Elizabeth II once terrorized King Abdullah — by driving him around "You're damn right one is driving oneself." Queen Elizabeth in her Land Rover in 1987. The death of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has brought considerable debate over whether he should be remembered as a "reformer" or the very opposite of one; whether his legacy will be that he preserved Saudi Arabia's future or limited its present. But as this story from a former British Ambassador to Saudi Arabia makes clear, there is one thing he will never be: as much of a stone-cold badass as Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles was given a private audience with the Queen when he was appointed Ambassador to Saudi Arabia in 2003. At the time, Abdullah was technically still the crown prince, though he'd been de facto ruler for several years. During their meeting, she gleefully recounted the story of Abdullah's first visit to Balmoral, her castle in Scotland. It all started innocently enough, with an offer to tour the estate: After lunch, the Queen had asked her royal guest whether he would like a tour of the estate. Prompted by his foreign minister the urbane Prince Saud, an initially hesitant Abdullah had agreed. The royal Land Rovers were drawn up in front of the castle. As instructed, the Crown Prince climbed into the front seat of the front Land Rover, his interpreter in the seat behind. But then, a surprising twist! The Queen herself was Abdullah's driver: To his surprise, the Queen climbed into the driving seat, turned the ignition and drove off. Women are not — yet — allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, and Abdullah was not used to being driven by a woman, let alone a queen. And she wasn't just driving, she was DRIVING, leaving Abdullah a quivering wreck: His nervousness only increased as the Queen, an Army driver in wartime, accelerated the Land Rover along the narrow Scottish estate roads, talking all the time. Through his interpreter, the Crown Prince implored the Queen to slow down and concentrate on the road ahead. That's right: Queen Elizabeth basically spent an afternoon using her military-grade driving skills to haze the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. Result: Elizabeth 1, Abdullah 0. http://www.vox.com/2015/1/23/7877243/king-abdullah-queen-drive

Damn and he was so cute back when he got his start playing Jodie Dallas on Soap. Bite me, Billy.

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2015/01/11/19-mormon-missionary-positions-you-should-try

I have been to Brazil as much as Tom over the years and disagree with him. Off season for the saunas is when Tom is in town. All the boys seem to be preoccupied and thus I get lonely.