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May MsGuy absolve me...but intriguing, to say the least. 'The Gospel Of Jesus' Wife,' New Early Christian Text, Indicates Jesus May Have Been Married A discovery by a Harvard researcher may shed light on a controversial aspect of the life of Jesus Christ. Harvard Divinity School professor Karen L. King says she has found an ancient papyrus fragment from the fourth century that, when translated, appears to indicate that Jesus was married. The text is being dubbed "The Gospel of Jesus' Wife." The part of it that's drawing attention says, "Jesus said to them, 'my wife'" in the Coptic language. The text, which is printed on papyrus the size of a business card, has not been scientifically tested to verify its dating, but King and other scholars have said they are confident it is a genuine artifact. "Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married, even though no reliable historical evidence exists to support that claim," King said at a conference in Rome on Tuesday. "This new gospel doesn’t prove that Jesus was married, but it tells us that the whole question only came up as part of vociferous debates about sexuality and marriage. From the very beginning, Christians disagreed about whether it was better not to marry, but it was over a century after Jesus’s death before they began appealing to Jesus’ marital status to support their positions." King, who focuses on Coptic literature, Gnosticism and women in the Bible, has published on the Gospel of Judas and the Gospel of Mary of Magdala. She presented her research Tuesday evening in Rome, where scholars are gathered for the International Congress of Coptic Studies. The idea that Jesus was unmarried and chaste is largely accepted by Christian denominations and a reason for the practice of celibacy among Roman Catholic priests. "Beyond internal Catholic Church politics, a married Jesus invites a reconsideration of orthodox teachings about gender and sex," said journalist and author Michael D'Antonio, who writes about the Catholic Church, in a blog on The Huffington Post. "If Jesus had a wife, then there is nothing extra Christian about male privilege, nothing spiritually dangerous about the sexuality of women, and no reason for anyone to deny himself or herself a sexual identity." The quote about Jesus' wife is part of a description of a conversation between Jesus and his disciples. In the conversation, Jesus talks about his mother twice and speaks once about his wife. One of them is identified as "Mary." His disciples discuss whether Mary is worthy of being part of their community, to which Jesus replies, “she will able to be my disciple.” The fragment has eight incomplete lines of writing on one side and is badly damaged on the other side, with only three faded words and a few letters of ink that are visible, even with the use of infrared photography and computer-aided enhancement. The private owner of the papyrus first approached King in 2010. King said she didn't believe the document was authentic, but the owner persisted. She then asked the owner to bring the papyrus to Harvard, where she became convinced it was a genuine early Christian text fragment. Along with Princeton University professor Anne Marie Luijendijk and Roger Bagnall, director of the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, King claims to have confirmed the document is real. The document's owner has not been named and King said he does not want to be identified. It's unclear when the text was initially discovered. The owner who showed it to King found it in 1997 in a collection of papyri that he acquired from the previous owner, who was German. The papyri included a handwritten German description that had the name of a now-deceased professor of Egyptology in Berlin who called the fragment a "sole example" of a document that claims Jesus was married. The scholars believe the text is from Egyptian Christians before the year 400, as it is written in the language used at that time. Since writing appears on both sides of the fragment, scholars believe it came from a codex, a kind of book, and not a scroll. The scholars also believe the document is a translation of an earlier one that was likely written in Greek. King notes in her research that the idea of Jesus' celibacy hasn't always existed, and that early Christians debated whether they should marry or practice celibacy. It was not until around the year 200 that Christian followers began to say Jesus was unmarried, according to a record King cites from Clement of Alexandria. In his writing, Clement -- an early theologian -- said that marriage was a fornication put in place by the devil, and that people should emulate Jesus by not marrying. One or two decades later, Tertullian of Carthage in North Africa declared that Jesus was "entirely unmarried" and told Christians to remain single. But Tertullian did not come out against sex altogether and allowed couples to get married one time, denouncing divorce and remarriage as overindulgent. A century earlier, the First Epistle of Paul to Timothy said in the New Testament that people who forbid marriage are going by the "doctrines of demons," but did not include anything about Jesus being married in order to make the point. The point of view that ultimately became dominant was that celibacy is preferred as a high sexual virtue among Christians, but that marriage is needed for the sake of reproduction. "The discovery of this new gospel," King said, "offers an occasion to rethink what we thought we knew by asking what role claims about Jesus' marital status played historically in early Christian controversies over marriage, celibacy, and family. Christian tradition preserved only those voices that claimed Jesus never married. The Gospel of Jesus's Wife now shows that some Christians thought otherwise." The life of historical Jesus is often a matter of controversy, and this is not the first time it's been proposed that Jesus was married. Most recently, Dan Brown's novel "The Da Vinci Code" depicted Jesus as being married to Mary Magdalene. The book was published as fiction, but nonetheless attracted loud criticism from Vatican officials. Front of fragment with translation Back of fragment with translation UPDATE: 4:28 p.m. -- Speaking on a conference call Tuesday from Rome, King said that some people who have read about the discovery have asked if the papyrus fragment was describing Jesus as being married to the Christian faith, not to a woman. "One cannot overrule that it might be him saying 'my wife as a church,' but in the context where he's talking about 'my mother' and 'my wife' and talking about 'my disciple,' the one thing you would not say is that the church would be 'my disciple.'" Even before King's discovery, there has been speculation that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. "I do not think Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene," King clarified Tuesday, adding, "whether he was or was not married ... I really think the tradition is silent and we don't know." King also said that a professor who saw her report asked her if the text on the papyrus could have been a homily and not a gospel, an idea she said she had not considered. King added that she hopes the discovery will diminish the view outside of academic circles that the debate over marriage and sexuality in the early church is "fixed and over." In current church debates over issues such as same-sex marriage and marriage among Catholic priests, "having more voices from the early church and a better, more accurate version of early Christianity is more helpful," she said. UPDATE FROM AP: 8:33 a.m. Wolf-Peter Funk, a noted Coptic linguist and co-director of the francophone project editing the Nag Hammadi Coptic library at Laval University in Quebec, said there were "thousands of scraps of papyrus where you find crazy things," and that many questions remain unanswered about the Harvard fragment. http://www.huffingto...ref=mostpopular1 point
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Paris Hilton & Rupert Everett say stuff and we puke
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Two stupid, stupid Cunts who should know better. I hope they enjoy their non-careers now that they have alienated thir gay fan bases.1 point -
One of our friends-Keith Griffith- has died too young.
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RIP Keith Griffith . An outspoken advocate for sexual liberty has passed away at too young of an age. I met him once- a long time ago during a differnt part of my life-and enjoyed talking with him. He was very smart,very witty,and very very randy! He and Scott O'Hara were in the frontlines of defending Queers who did not need the stamp of socity's approval in their days publishing STEAM magazine. I did have problems with Keith's politics, but he was mellowing as he moved into his fiftes. Keith Griffith you will be missed http://www.xbiz.com/news/1541911 point -
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Finally, justice is served on a competition show and WELL DESERVED. Congrats to Hot, sexy and sensitive Chehon and the beautiful Eliana, BOTH of whom are mega talented and charismatic.1 point
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Romney: "47% of voters think they are victims and are dependent on gov't"
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What he 'meant' is open for intrepretation. Whether he was writing off the 47% in the election or as a concern central to his governing principles, you decide. I tend to give peoples actions more weight than I give their words -- written or spoken. Especially when those words are tailored to the audience so specifically as to say different things to different crowds or at different times. I have not read the Romney book but I did see him up close as a Governor and I'm generally familiar with his tenure at Bain. I believe him to be a caring compassionate deeply flawed man. Caring and compassionate on a personal level with those he comes into contact in everyday life, much of it insular as his is. Cold and calculating with regard to those far removed from his personal sphere. As a Mormon he is charitable and very open to helping his fellow man. As a business man he is Harry Lime incarnate who uses law rather than skirts it. Harry Lime was a central character in the 1949 move: The Third Man played by Orson Wells. He was a petty crook in post war Europe who stole and cut penicillin with water and sold in on the black market at the expense of many lives. When asked by Joseph Cotton why he did this, while they were sitting on top of a Ferris Wheel in an amusement park, Harry Lime said "to make money". When asked how he could harm so many people he remarked that the people below looked just like ants, worthy of no more concern. When Mitt sits high atop Bain he sees the employees of his companies as not ants, exactly, but as beans - worthy of no more concern. That us how one can put a company into bankruptcy after stripping it of tens and hundreds of milions of dollars in pension funds and walk way fat and happy -- time and again. If one doesn't think he'll bring this bean vision perspective to his Presidency should he win then people are ignoring his record of actions. Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, college loans, education support, etc. will be cut deeply if not eliminated, if he can get away with it. A GOP Congress would fall all over themselves to assist in the dismantling of The New Deal and The Great Society programs. All the while being a warm compassionate friend to all those in his circle at the West Wing and at his church.1 point