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All massages in the area of Ladprao Soi 101 yellow line station have moved or are gone. White House building abandoned (don't know if/where they moved). There were two false alarms of a new massage in Soi 128/1. One of them even on google maps BOYSTAR SPA. 101 K SPA building abandoned (don't know if/where they moved). TK massage (google maps บ้านคนสวย) is locked and has no massage staff, but still management inside and for repeat customers like me, the call boy from elsewhere. They moved to Chokchai 4, google maps ADAY MASSAGE, and have new Line as well.

Im back in Sydney lol 🌉

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh Hilarious!!!

They had apps before 2006? What were they?

First and only post, made on April 1st. 🤔😁

I saw Emirates flight from Dubai landing this morning in my local airport so there are at least some flights

I forgot to mention two other American expats I got to know in Thailand. Both with Thai partners. The first had been a lawyer whose Thai partner when we met was in his mid-40s and had a good job in a bank. The second had come to Thailand and was besotted with a younger bar boy. Stupidly he had not taken any contact details and so he returned specifically to try and find him. Eventually after a lengthy process they were reunited. They then rented an apartment in Bangkok where they lived together most of the time. I deliberately write "most". I knew the American and had coffee with him each month. He seemed really happy that he had given up his life in the USA. But I knew what he clearly didn't that I had learned from one of his friends, the Thai was actually married with two children.

that would be nice

hopefully it never happens

I do hope you are correct. As i wrote earlier, I found it very difficult to cope with long distance relationships, even though I never had one with anyone who worked in the sex business. Basically out of fear - earlier I called it jealousy. If i found someone so attractive and wanted to spend all my time with him, I'd wonder who else might feel the same way when he was in his own country. And being apart for even just weeks at a time, would he being younger give into temptation? The thought that he would be spending the night with another man just nagged at me constantly - and not in a nice way. Perhaps I am just from a much older school! Most of the time that was probably stupidity on my part. But your Cam, who sounds a delighful young man, works in the sex trade. Reading the start of your post above, to be frank I cannot see any Bangkok gay bar willing to accept anyone as an employee if there is the condition "no offs". That is basically the reason for the bars. To make money through regular offs. Drinking with customers takes time, keeps a boy away from being offed by other customers and makes little profit. An off is basically pure profit. Decades ago, if an employee did not gain enough offs over a certain period, he was fired from the bar. Not sure of the situation now. I have some expat friends here in Thailand who have had relationships of well over 20 years with considerably younger Thais. Their Thai partners also did not work in the sex trade. One met through an app. Another in the disco DJ station. The first was already living in Thailand. The second in London but he soon managed to get a visa for his soon-to-be partner who then relocated to London. They will soon retire to Chiang Mai. The point is that whereas the first young Thai had his own business and did not require any financing for anything - apart from the house they had built together on the outskirts of Bangkok - the second was a student who on graduation found well-paid work. I do sugggest on your next long visit, you do not spend all your time with Cam no matter how strongly you feel about him. Go on the apps and meet up with guys who have decent jobs - even if only just for a coffee. At the very least that might reinforce your views on Cam.

likely no, he is in love with Trump ( father , not one of sons ) now

A really excellent post.

or train. Did you think about Hua Hin ?

I use it regularly.

Part 5 of 5 (I promise no more from this trip after this one) The last day of my massage tour of Bangkok was the final day SB was going to be with me. He and I enjoyed goodbye sex at the hotel in the morning before breakfast, headed to the pool and enjoyed a nice morning together. SB left at 11AM for the airport to catch his flight back to Jakarta. I will see him again in a few months in Singapore, which is where he usually spends his time with his regulars and some RentMen clients. I had a leisurely afternoon, and then I headed toward the riverside for a stroll and to check out Asiatique. It was a fun diversion, and being that it was Saturday, there were a lot of local Thai families here. Very very few foreign tourists that I saw. Because it was late March during the hottest time of the day, I mostly roamed the “Warehouses” of shops and restaurants. I visited the Jurassic Park attraction, and the Mystery Mansion dark ride (AC thank you) and the Tall Ship. All were fun places to visit. After that, I walked from Asiatique to TCS Charoenkrung, which is only a few blocks away. I had booked my final gay massage with Ruj, a very in-demand therapist again—suggested by members of this forum. I booked Ruj about 3 weeks in advance. They did not require any deposit in advance. I found TCS on Soi 80 Charoen Krung. Its right on the corner of the main road that goes to Asiatique. TCS is in a large multistory green and red commercial building and it is not well marked. There is a small sign only in Thai above the main door. It seems as if TCS may occupy most of this multistory building. The lobby is huge and there is a reception desk inside. They greeted me, they were expecting me and requested me to pay in cash the 1690 THB fee, which I paid in cash. They offered me tea and a cold towel and I waited for Ruj. I saw no other customers the entire time I was at TCS on this Saturday at 3:45PM. I was early, by about 15 minutes, and Ruj greeted me well before my appointment. Ruj took me to the elevator and while going up in the elevator, he showed me his phone with the translator app… indicating that he did not speak any English. I knew from @GoldMember that this was the case, and by now… know many of the therapists don’t speak English, I have a lot of saved phrases on my Google translate that are easy for me to tap. (“Thank you—no problem, we can use the translator app”, “You are a beautiful man, I cannot wait for you to touch me”, “Please use medium pressure, and especially on my glutes”, “I would love to be able to touch and worship your physique, and I would love for a full body2body massage please”). After taking me up to the room, I was wowed on how different this room was from the others I visited that week. This was a very large hotel room style room. Instead of a bed, it had the massage table, There was a separate dressing area with a large tiled shower, a separate toilet, and an open closet with a robe. The weird thing was that there was a large plate glass window that separated the bathroom area to the main massage room. In the massage room, there was a lovely seating area with two club chairs and side table beside a window, the curtains were drawn to keep it cool and dark. I was asked to take a shower, and Ruj left to get supplies. After that, I jumped onto the table, which had a face hole and pad, and pulled over the towel over my lower body. Ruj came back with a rolling cart filled with the supplies. The massage started and again, this was a basic, “mid” massage. Not at all great. Not even satisfactory. But, again, don’t come here for a great massage… it was all about Ruj. About 1 hour of lame massaging, Ruj asked me to flip over, and immediately was into the sensual. I never said anything and neither did he… it just happened. Similar to other situations, he pulled up his shirt and pulled down his pants to flash me his abs and his sexy briefs, looked for me to smile and he smiled back. After that—no language was needed. Ruj knew that I loved his lean muscled physique, and started to pose and flex for me… he pulled his sexy briefs down to display his cock… got it hard, and let me play with it while he bent over and gave me oral. He got up on the table and straddled me naked and flipped into a 69 position on top of me letting each of us suck each other. I motioned if he could add some oil to this equation, and he instinctively knew what to do and what I wanted. We then had a great B2B experience, he fucked my oiled up thighs, kissing and caressing me all over. As a muscle-lover, I did the same to him and asked him if I could flip over and lie on top of him. We did this and made out. I came first and then he asked if he could come on my face… which I happily obliged. After that—we both took a shower together in the extra-large shower. He towelled me off, and we dressed. He left and I waited in one of the chairs in the room and he came back and served me tea and cookies while he watched me. I used google translate to chat a bit about him and his life, he asked me a lot about where I was from (I am from California, so he asked me about the wildfires in January of 2025, wanted to know more about the Thai community in Los Angeles and the local Thai Town neighborhood, etc.). He was adorable and super sexy. I gave him a 3000 THB tip, even though this was never discussed. I have to admit… the less transactional type of “extras” was more pleasant than the pausing after the flip over, having them discuss it with you, give you a menu with prices, and then deciding. I knew what to expect because of other members on this forum gave a similar experience… but I really liked the way this worked with Ruj. It felt more organic and natural. Its probably because when there is a language issue—they feel more comfortable just going with the flow and using eye contact, and signals to get the go-ahead or not. I would give TCS Spa a 10 for the facilities—clean, comfortable, luxurious, and spacious. I would give Ruj a 10 for his body, physique, demanor, style, and sexual services. Overall 7/10 for the experience (basically lower marks for the actual massage, all points for Ruj and the facility). I loved TCS Spa, and Ill definitely go here again, and see Ruj again. I headed back to my hotel a very happy first time gay massage explorer in Bangkok for a great week. I am planning my next visit for September… and now will have a plan to do more, see some of the same men, visit new spas, etc. I love the concept of these massage places—I love to shop for my therapist in advance, show up, and get mostly what I expect. Next time I may try some of the other places that are the walk-in and select places (like Senso, Arena, Prince, etc.). I also may want to do the places that have the big bathtub where the therapist bathes you (TCS does this). It was really fun, and enjoyable. I traveled back to the US west coast the next day. I woke up an early morning notification from my airline letting me know that my flight was going to be delayed that evening by almost 2 hours. That would cut my connection time to my onward longhaul flight to only 35 minutes. So, I called my travel agent and they couldn’t help me get on an earlier flight to HKG since the airline would not allow me to downgrade from Business class to economy class on the short connecting flight to HKG. So, I packed my bags and went to the airport early. I used Chat GPT to help me with my dilemma and it provided me with some specific scripts. I walked up to a very handsome Cathay representative at the business class check in, explained my issue, and he immediately got to work to help me get an earlier flight. He found business class on Thai Airways, and immediately booked me on that flight, had someone walk me over to Thai Airways, and escorted me through fast track passport control and security. I was in the Thai Royal Orchid lounge in no time (it’s a super tacky lounge by the way… sorry Thai). But, the flight to HKG was lovely, and I really like the Thai Airways service, food, and staff. I got to HKG and had 5 hours to kill. They have some great lounges, including one with private sleeping areas, which I used. I caught my flight on time, and so did my bags. I was in the US 13 hours later. I love my trip, and I cannot wait to come back to the LOS again. Thank you to this forum for making this trip fantastic. Even though I have met you, I really liked all of the help and support. I hope my trip reports were satisfactory and help others like me.

Actually, those "short-time" half-hour offers are fairly common in Spain - and I took upon them from time to time, especially I've seen instances where they don't really differ from dates on normal rates (either because short-term rates run longer, or - more often - normal rates really don't really end up in an hour spent)

Part 4 This was a Friday, and SB and I enjoyed a morning at the pool, working out in the hotel gym, and then we went to ICON SIAM to have the happy hour/late lunch on the terrace overlooking the river. After that, we headed off to Klover for our afternoon appointment. I had already planned a 2 hour appointment with Therapist Trol, as recommended by @GoldMember. I asked SB if he would like to have a massage/treatment as well. He was super tentative, and unsure of the concept of the gay massage. Even as a professional MB and sugar baby, he was really shy about it. He told me he had never had one of these “so called gay massages”, and didn’t quite know what the protocol was. After what seemed like hours the day before—scanning through all of the available therapists’ profiles and photos… he decided—he would like a body scrub and a massage. The therapist he wanted was only available for 1 of the 2 hours during the same timeslot to match mine, so we found another therapist to do the first hour as a bodyscrub (Nicky) , and the preferred therapist he wanted for the second hour as a massage (Golf). SB asked me all sorts of questions about what to do about the sex part—how it worked etc. I gave him cash to deal with the expected tips, and coached him on it. We headed to Klover via grab. Klover is located in a pleasant local neighborhood in a small mini-mall above some casual restaurants and a grocery store. It comprises most of the entire second floor. We were welcomed warmly by two receptionists, and paid them for SB’s services in cash. (When we booked the day before, they requested a 500 THB deposit to hold the bookings). I had already prepaid via card 2 weeks in advance for my booking 2190 THB for the two hour massage with Trol since he is a very high-demand therapist. SB was greeted first by his bodyscrub therapist Nicky, and he nervously went along with him for his appointments. Trol then appeared offered me tea and a cold towel, and then collected my shoes and gave me slippers and escorted me to the room. The facilities at Klover are nice and clean. There are no toilets inside the shop, the toilets are the public toilets of the mini-mall on the same floor as Klover, but at the end of the exterior hallway. This can be an issue if you need to use the toilet during your session. The massage room is large, modern, and clean. There is a small private shower stall in the room. This is the same exact setup as at History of Massages and The Residences… by now I could tell this was very much owned and operated by the same people. Trol, as expected was very sexy, and beautiful. He is slimmer than most of the other therapists I saw this week, but has a super muscular, and lean physique. He also doesn’t speak much English. This was 100% translator app time. He was very comfortable, and not nervous about the language gap, and truly was kind to me even if he had to use the app. The massage started with the shower, he stepped away, grabbed his supplies on a cart, and came back into the room after I was finished showering. I laid onto the table (it had a face hole), and pulled the sheer modesty sheet over my naked lower body. Trol started the massage (I gave him my preferences for pressure, etc. via the google translate app). The massage was not great. He went through the motions in the same order, and style as what had happened at the Residences yesterday (they are clearly trained by the same person or in the same method). But, this is not why you come to Klover 😊 There was no discussion of tips, extras, etc. It just happened… about 90 minutes into the session after I was flipped over, Trol leaned over from the top of my head and started to caress and massage my nipples, then he bent over and started licking and sucking on my chest and nipples very sensually… every so often he would look me in the eyes as to receive a signal from me if this was appreciated or not. Of course, I provide a big smile, an this encouraged him—he smiled wide back, and proceeded to work me over sensually, first it was grabbing my cock and arousing me, then he lifted his shirt and lowered his pants to tease me with his physique and cock. After I took the bait and started to arouse him, he presented his cock to me for oral. After that, he took off all of his clothes, straddled me on the table, while I gave him oral and he flexed and let me appreciate his fantastic physique (he's super fit, so muscular, and lean!). He pressed my hard cock into the crack of his ass, and held it there to let me slide up and down his crack—he was moaning with pleasure along with me. He jacked himself to finish onto my neck and chest while I spurted while he pressed my cock against his ass crack. He grinned wide with appreciation and so did I. He cleaned me up, and I took a shower. I used my translator app to thank him and to tell him that I would be thrilled to give him a 2000 THB tip for my appreciation. He smiled and gave me a big thank you hug. After I dressed, he brought me tea and cookies in the room. I would rate Klover, very high as a massage shop for their customer service, cleanliness, and vibe. The massage I got from Trol, I rate 6/10 (again most of that 6 was for Trol’s physique, attitude, and sensual abilities, not at all for the massage). We walked back to the lobby and I waited for SB there. Soon, he came back out with Golf his therapist. We said good night to the receptionists and caught our grab car back to the hotel. The rest of the night, SB told me that he enjoyed the experience at Klover. He said that Nicky, the first therapist he had for the body scrub didn’t quite look like his photos, and also there was no mention or indication of sex or sensuality at all. Of course, this was only a body scrub service. SB, who is a real “cosmetics snob”, felt as if the scrub material they used at Klover was not “as high quality as the stuff he uses”. But, he was okay with that service. The massage he had after that was with Golf-- Golf was exactly how he looked in his photos-- he commented. He said almost immediately, Golf stripped to naked, and was not even bothering with the massage antics but was quickly approaching him for sensual and sexual services. And of course, how could this not be? SB is a stunning Indonesian bodybuilder with flawless skin, and a beautiful ass and cock. He looks like sex on a stick, not a middle aged Farang. SB went along with sensual touches but he refused to have sex with Golf.. he told him that his “boyfriend (me) was in the other room” and it didn’t seem right for him to do that. Although he said he wanted to let Golf fuck him, and Golf really wanted to—but they ended up just doing a lot of sensual touch with no sex, HE or come. SB was adamant that this was not for him, but he thanked me for the opportunity. The whole thing was super funny for me to listen to this professional “sex worker” if you will, feel so bashful about the gay massage experience. After we got back to the hotel, SB was initiating sex again—and I was pretty much done for the day. We had some making out time, and cuddle time, but this would be my third time in a day, and I was done 😊 Part 5 later.

During Covid when travel closed I was bored out of my mind, had many business related worries, and formed an online friendship with an ex bar boy who had gotten trapped in his home country, and was struggling to eke out a pittance. His daily calls and messages helped me tide over a difficult period. I sent him around $200-300 each month to keep him afloat. I saw this as him providing similar services just remotely. Helping him also helped me to get out of my own head during lockdown. We didn’t indulge in video sex because he had roommates but I certainly enjoyed the video calls when he had just gotten out of the shower. If you are inclined to send Cam money during the months you are not together (seems like you are) it should only be as a reward for effort and proportionate to the effort he’s putting in. Don’t get carried away just because you’re infatuated and never send him free money.

Please don’t scare @jimmie50. I know several Cambodian overstayers and apart from the usual police shakedown they’re merrily continuing with life as usual. Their landlords have not flushed them out, their rooms (right smack in bar district) don’t get raided, they travel between Bangkok and Pattaya just fine. Nothing some coffee money won’t fix. If he has an ID card or a photo of his passport on his phone, he can be registered as the second guest in a hotel. I travelled to Pattaya in February with my guy who back then had ambiguous visa status and no passport. Zero issues.

I think your best bet is to maybe buy a pair of Muay Thai shorts in the market, and hire a muscular guy from a bar like Taiwan or whatever the White cat bar is named now,and get him to wear it. I remember the @bucknaway had a similar interest in Thai boxers, ,but I am not sure he ever came up with a strategy for meeting one.

You can do a search for Medellin in the search box, and it comes up.

I realize the MRT works with contactless credit cards. I would like to see the same for the BTS. Then the only people who would need Rabbit cards are people who qualify for discounts. Also the Airport Train works with contactless credit cards.

I found X at Jey Spa’s Line page. He’s looks something special.

OMG. Really? I had no idea I could be charged like that. Thanks for the warning. I am planning to rent Airbnb this time. I don't want to see if the condo is available because I don't want my friends to know I am actually back in Bangkok. I don't want to spend 3 months in a hotel, either. Regardless of Bangkok, Pattaya, or some other location...it will definitely be Airbnb or similar type arrangement. I am aware of the situation in Pattaya, especially for the illegal guys working in the massage shops. Firsthand experience with that. I am also aware of a couple of the bar guys who are illegal getting the 'shake down' from Bangkok police. Walking down the street during the daytime where Foodland is located, stopped, and threatened with arrest and deportation unless they gave the police all of their money. Wanted 10,000 Baht from each one, but they neither had that much. One guy had 7000 and the other 4000. Police took their money. That happened during my seven week stay, so recent police activity seems to be targeting illegals.