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The Internationale , sung in Thai.

Two straight men I know- yes, I do mix outside my community- are obsessive about Thai ladyboys....at a distance I must emphasise. I'm no expert but I have watched the two-way transition of P's cousin, whom I first met as a twenty-three year old in 2006. He was a good-looking, rather femme gay guy. Over the next eight years I watched him slowly but inexorably become "a lady". Hair, jewellery, dresses, speech, behaviour... step by step he was transformed. About thirteen years ago he became a mamasan in one of the "men for ladies" clubs in Third Road, even appearing on Thai TV. Then, when he reached forty, he started moving in the opposite direction and now dresses as a man, if a little eccentrically; and the cosmetics and the dresses are gone. P tells me he still uses Khatoey Argot, of which I understand not a word, but this remains the last vestige of his rather odd gender-journey.

Great report 😀 👍🏿

What are we watching?😳 Maybe give us some insight

Lol... Good point 😂

I suspect that video is more for a Singaporean audience given that the subtitles are in both English and traditional Chinese. Few Taiwan videos include English. Also Taiwanese tend to be very massage spa oriented and there is no mention of any spa, although the video specifically refers only to bars and clubs. As for a wrap up of various places to go, it is very good. My idea is that one bar owner should take it on himself to market his own bar more or less as I suggested. If it can get on to youtube, all the better. But even if it is just for one particular gay app, it would be considerably better than the nothing they do at present.

Muscle factory is not air conditioned , I don't like it I have been to every gym in Pattaya as I do powerlifting 🏋🏿‍♂️🏋🏿‍♂️ I had to start cardio too ...despite powerlifting a few times a week for years ,I went to a boxing class and could only last 10 minutes before I got out of breath🌬️🌬️💨

Excellent point...love it 😁

You have got me with that one spoon. I’m not clever enough to think it through. Perhaps I should try AI

HCMC/Saigon I arrived by train from Danang. It’s an 18-hour train ride, but at least half the time I was sleeping and during daylight I enjoyed watching the scenery. I also got a decent meal and coffee along the way. If you have time and enjoy travelling by train, I highly recommend it. Arrival was around 730 in the morning, so my room at the Alagon City Hotel and Spa was not ready yet, but the receptionist directed me to the pool area, where I had a shower and a change of clothes. Thus refreshed, I consulted Grindr. One message was from an early 30s guy from Singapore staying in a Hotel close by. We had a nice quickie in his room and I set out to explore the city after that. On a coffee break I chatted with a 21 year old student and we agreed to meet at the cafe where I was sitting. We had a nice chat, then a nice walk and then lunch. After that we went back to the hotel. He was with me as I completed check-in and followed me to my room, so it seems the hotel has no issues with guests. We had no less than three rounds of great sex interrupted by cuddling and conversation. After that we went out for dinner and he returned home. The next day, I didn’t do much in the morning except enjoying the rooftop pool area and some reading. In the afternoon I visited Adam Spa (Nadam on google maps). It has excellent reviews on this forum and elsewhere. Well deserved as it must be the most aesthetically pleasing gay sauna I have ever been to (once my sight had adjusted to the dim light). There is a steam room, saunas and jacuzzi on the ground floor. On the next floor is a cruising area with several rooms where you can enjoy privacy. On the last floor is a warmish chill out room with an aroma steam room in the middle. I came around 4 pm on a Tuesday and there were some 12-15 other guests at that time. From late 20s to 60s. I had fun with 4 of the other guests during my two hour visit. Adam Spa is around 6 km from district one. I took 40 minutes to cover that distance by car during rush hour traffic, so next time I go, I will book a motorcycle Grab instead of a car. I had dinner again with the student from the previous day and we went to the hotel for another round of good sex and a couple of hours of cuddling and sleeping before he had to go home. On the third day I had an early afternoon hook-up. He came directly to the hotel. It was meh, and the guy didn’t quite look like his pictures, so I let it be a reminder to myself either to meet people outside first or have validated photos or a video chat before agreeing to hook up. In the evening, my fwb from Bangkok arrived, so for the next 5 days there was no need for saunas or Grindr. We had a good time visiting some of Saigon’s main attractions like the Independence Palace and the War Remnants Museum. We also did a day trip to the Mekong Delta and watched a show in the Opera House. It was dancing and acrobatics in the same style as the Hoi An Memories Show, but not quite as impressive. There was hardly any smog in Saigon and the city is actually quite walkable with wide sidewalks lined with trees and numerous little parks that also offer a bit of refuge from the otherwise chaotic traffic. Vietnamese food is really good, the coffee is excellent and prices are lower than in Thailand. hooking up via apps and in the saunas is easy, but judging from my one experience massages are probably not as good as in Thailand. All in all, I highly recommend a visit to Vietnam.

Both gyms have cafe settings, but I think the Pattaya seating is better, as you can sit inside or out on the deck And if you can't see any eye candy at either gym, it's a bad day. By the way, the fees aren't cheap. More like Western prices.

Yes, both gyms have cardio equipment upstairs. If you did go to Muscle Factory Bangkok, you might consider going afterwards to Krubb sauna at Phra Khanong, one BTS station away, to unwind!

Is there cardio equipment? Couldn’t see any in the photos and reviews. My regular guy and I are both gym goers and we talk about getting in a session together some time but somehow we just can’t work up the energy to go when I’m visiting, even when the hotel has a very good quality gym. We end up sleeping late and being lazy 😅 He used to only lift but has now started cardio with my encouragement, which is better for his overall fitness and vascular health than just being a muscle Mary.

Just found a very recent video to illustrate what we may be talking about: I can see how impactful a video like this can have in directing newbie tourists to specific places, or in channelling those who want to go where the crowd goes. I think it goes a long way to explaining the long queues at some of these places' doors, and the surge during the annual White Party. The subtitles are in traditional Chinese, so this is probably a Taiwanese vlogger. Also, while I'm not even a Chinese speaker, let alone any expert on the language, the accent sounds very different from what I hear when in China, so again, I think it is Taiwanese. I know this topic isn't of any interest to most members of this board, and in fact it is off-script to the forum topic which is really about HK, China and Taiwan (apologies!), but for those like me who wonder how gay and erotic businesses should market themselves within a niche (not just to the Chinese market), this is instructive.

When I was staying at A&P, I set up a routine from which I never strayed. A tuk-tuk driver would be waiting for me every evening at 6pm outside the door. He would take me over to Hatha Khmer massage, where my favourite guy would be waiting for me at the counter bar in the garden. I named him Mr Bubblebutt. We would spend around 15 minutes at the bar. The talk was always the same - him trying to persuade my to buy him a scooter, and me fending of his requests. We then went into the room, where I fucked him and he fucked me. I thought I had died and gone to heaven! At 7pm my tuk-tuk driver would turn up to take me to the river area, where I'd have dinner, and then walk over to Space Bar to spend the rest of the evening drinking and playing a groping game with Virat, my favourite waiter. He would greet me as soon as I walked in, organise our drinks and get down to business. He had quite a package down there -a real handful! I ran into him when I was last in phnom penh a couple of years ago. He came into the bar when I was sitting there and we immediately recognised each other. Unfortunately, he couldn't stay, as he was running a food cart and he had just come in looking for orders.. But we had a drink together and a great chat. Space Bar is the only reason for me to visit PP. Even though the atmosphere in the bar is now different - not so raunchy - it is still lots of fun.

there’s a lot of handsome men in the DR, you could probably proposition a lot of guys yourself if you’re daring… if hitting up Manny, i’d say hit him up within 2 weeks of traveling. Yeah, if you don’t want to use uber, Manny’s hotel pick up is reliable…

did you ever make it back to the DR?

put juanbinbin in google maps. it’s not far from Zona Colonial.

yes, but some charge a higher price depending on which procurer you contact.

To To be honest they are both out of the way. If I'm staying in Silom I get the BTS to On Nut station and it's about a 20 minute walk from there. To get to the Pattaya gym, it's a pleasant walk from Dongtang beach along the seafront, maybe taking 25 minutes. I could use Bolt, but they are both easy walks.

Thanks, @10tazione... This indicates what bars and massage businesses hoping to draw Chinese traffic need to do. They have to work with selected Chinese visitors who can act as influencers. E.g. offer a discount to anyone who can demonstrate a biggish following on their social media. Better yet, have pre-produced video snippets of their shows or massage boys in action (always with their shop name in the background) and say, "hey, would you like to incorporate these few seconds of video into your social media story? it's free to use." If done well, these video snippets should be eye-catching. I know, reputable journalism has a gold standard where reviewers must not accept any benefit from the business being reviewed, but that's for mainstream journalists; influencers and wannabe-influencers are not above enjoying discounts, I can tell you that. Now why does this sound familiar? Oh, isn't that what ShamelessMack tries to do too? Haha. But, to be clear, ShamelessMack does not accept discounts or freebies in return for reviews. He does not even identify himself to any business, so no business knows to offer such deals -- to avoid precisely such as situation. ShamelessMack has no pretensions about bveing an influencer; well past the age group, and anyway, the readership is laughably small!

Where is the prejudice in looking for a non-bar spot to chill and have a beer and some food? You’re making assumptions based on your own preferences in Pattaya. I rarely, almost never stay in Jomtien. Quite often I have my regular with me so I keep his comfort and enjoyment in mind as well, such as selecting places where locals go to have fun and don’t feel like retirement homes.

I’ve seen it highly recommended. Surprising that the Pattaya gym is more modern than the Bangkok one, also that it’s not in central Pattaya. If I have time on my next trip will check it out

No they shouldn't. Smoking is legally not permitted in bars.