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What joke? I was hoping that @Keithambrose would pick up on the famous nervous shock case of Alcock v Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police (1991) that arose from the Hillsborough disaster where the House of Lords ruled that relatives watching the events on television or hearing about them did not satisfy the criteria for being secondary victims. Torts was my favourite subject and @Keithambrose has a pithy way of walking us down memory lane with his vast legal knowledge.

We have moved a long way from these subsequently corrected Hillsborough allegations. Really not something about which to make a casual joke.

Oh dear, not another Hillsborough waiting to happen, I hope. Thankfully cricket fans tend to be more subdued than football fans.

I gather that if you are very religious, you are not supposed to swallow saliva from another person. This could make oral sex to completion quite difficult!

The 'Barmy Army' is a term now applied to the England cricket fans who travel to watch England play. They are keen on cricket and beer, though not necessarily in that order!

There used to be a social group there called the Barmy Army. I wonder if they still exist. It was said that they were among the original balloon chasers although I'm not sure how far this was true. Wasn't there a bar or restaurant in Silom Soi 2 that was popular with the older set? One evening my friends and I were too early for G.O.D. which was next door to it and we decided to drop in for a tipple and some finger food and had all the eyes in the restaurant leering at us. It was quite creepy. Of course, this was around fifteen years ago when we were relatively young ourselves. I think it was called Robert's, Dick's or something (but not Dick's Cafe).

🤣😂😂 Love it !! I'm sure many would agree 👍

Having now seen the full men's Final Programme, Malinin's breakdown is even harder to work out. I've also seen several interviews he gave in the months leading up to the Olympics. He seems a relatively humble individual. In each, he says clearly that his short-term goal is the individual Olympic Gold. As I've stated above, with a good lead from the Short Programme and his three nearest competitors each having fallen after one jump with their scores being lower as a result, he had absolutely no need to pack his Programme with the seven quad jumps he said he was determined to include. He was so far ahead in points he could - and to my thinking should - have quickly modified his programme before he took to the ice. He and his team could easiy have decided to convert some of these quads to much easier triple jumps. He would have lost points but would still have won quite easily. But his confidence (arrogance?) in determining to land all seven in competition overcame that simple desire just to win the Gold.

I didnt realise that you had been taught English?

Did she really say that?

Yes, go there and spend time with the older, miserable guys and the cheap Charlies 😜

that’s not him because they said yes 👆

Again I can only speak from my own experience. I’ve always been very well treated and made to feel welcome, even when I was new. Apart from lady boss who’s a piece of work. Oh I reached for….something else. And again when the boy was within reach.

I’m pretty sure that was you… or at least one of you on a confident day 😅

Yep.

Leaving you to reach for your smelling salts, safely tucked away in your lace handkerchief? 😏 Not sure how being a busy bar justifies having an attitude as you say... I've been to many establishments which many would describe as top end and one of the main reasons why they are deemed top end is because of their humble and accommodating staff and how they're able to make every patron feel special.

Thanks yes I reread OP’s post. To @zombie I hope my post clears it up somewhat. I would never trust gossip from another bar. Just go in person and assess the rate and goods yourself. I don’t disagree at all, l haven’t been on the receiving end of any attitude but I can see that a more relaxed bar would be preferable to some. They were justified in the pre Covid years when the bar was so busy you couldn’t get a seat and the line up was the best in Patpong. If you look at the photos I posted…the stunners were there some 6 years ago. Only a few of them are left and they work irregularly. I continue to go due to possibly misplaced nostalgia (and some other more practical considerations) but I am in full agreement the quality has dropped off significantly. It used to be that 90% of the line up were tremendously attractive with sculpted abs pecs and biceps for miles. The first catwalk of the evening, with Mr Arm leading the pack could make you dizzy.

On another forum I often read one poster who does this although he asks them bluntly and straight to the point ...I mean it all could be bullshit for all I know 😅 Apparently he even propositions the hotel managers and they say yes !

None my type , I would rather much older Asian guys for free in the sauna

Fantastic positive post 😁 Loved reading it 👍

Thanks for your response, @hank75. For the record, I wasn't the one asking but @zombie, based on what he had heard from "a source in another bar". I mentioned you as you seemed familiar with Jupiter. I hadn't been to Jupiter for a long time as the last time I went, I found the offerings on display didn't commensurate with their attitude. I've had much better service and met fresh, humble, non-jaded, and to my eye much better looking guys at Thai-style places. And until I saw Joey recently, I've practically lost all interest in Patpong. Honestly I would find the back-and-forth negotiations tiresome but I understand and accept the transactional nature of the business. And where are these stunners that people speak of? I regularly receive Jupiter's promotional material and catwalk videos in my social media feeds and would be hardpressed to call anyone there a stunner and at least half a dozen of them are faces I recognise from different venues in the country ten years ago! Again, I accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Thailand has no shortage of attractive men and women, and in my experience, most of them are not in the bars, at least not the ones in Patpong or Pattaya. Simply go on the BTS for a quick hard on! At the gyms I go to (I move around), a handsome, athletic, student-type from a humble background would be thrilled at getting 2,000 Baht for a couple of hours of his time. Of course the trick is knowing who to approach and how to approach them and it wouldn't be an immediate or guaranteed bang. These guys are often genuine - and you'd have to be genuine too and be seriously interested in them as human beings to get a response. I've established quite a few long-term friendships this way over the years. None of that attitude one could expect from a crusty prostitute. I know this isn't a fair comparison but I just wanted to give a bit of a perspective as to why I'm often incredulous at the shennanigans that you guys are willing to put up with in Patpong.

Reminder why Jupiter used to get away with much higher pricing …

There's nothing better than a walk along Jomtien Beach at sunset after a tasty chicken and cashew nuts at Dick's. Then stopping to watch the fifty or so dancers, of varying abilities, putting on a show for their own enjoyment and fitness and for us envious spectators. My genuine admiration is for the handful of elderly falang dancers who gamely go through the motions of trying to keep up with the music by jigging from one foot to another. No one mocks them; their participation, however ungainly, is welcomed Just what the doctor ordered for elderly men.