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Trump has BLOOD on his hands, with the latest murders of 2 WV National guardsmen deployed by Trump to DC to "stand around and pick up garbage"..... Yet, the media and politicians are "soft peddling" Trumps responsibility (as usual) for the killings..... If they hadnt been deployed for a Trump publicity stunt, they WOULDNT be DEAD ! Keep your post mortems, and EMPTY thoughts & prayers and denouncements of Political violence...... It aint working......or Helping ! ***UPDATE: Our media is REALLY fucked up !... Reporting NOW that the governor of WV who announced the deaths may have been PREMATURE in doing so, and the guardsmen MAY NOT be dead.... WTF ???? Is Kash Patel running the show ?

OK, so I made a quick search on rent.men filtered for Bangkok. The majority of the listings are not Thai. They seem to be "working" tourists, expecting to earn their way around the world. Is there a market for them? Possibly. LIke in all cities, even in darkest Africa, there are the One Percent who are filthy rich, and who may want the thrill of reeling in a callboy of exotic ethnicity plus muscular build. A friend of mine who used to live in Hong Kong once told me white girls (mostly Russian) were successfully charging US$500 to 1,000 per hour in the city. Plenty of rich Chinese businessmen from Shanghai or other mainland cities made up the clientele. (He's straight, so he had no knowledge of the the male-male market). Even among Thai sex workers, asking for 5,000 baht or 10,000 baht (US$300) is not unheard of. Personally, I cannot see how paying three to six times the knocking shop rate delivers three to six times the pleasure, but then I am not a member of the One Percent.

Thanks for elaborating. Excepting the case of Toy Boys (which I wasn't aware of) what you're describing isn't what I thought you were saying - that the boys were expecting Asian customers to pay more than farang customers. What you're describing is the well-known phenomenon where asking the mamasan about rates begets inflated figures. Many here have long suspected that the higher rate quoted is because she builds in an extra 1,000 for herself on top of the going rate, and she will demand her cut from the boy the next day. It just so happens, if I read you correctly, that Asian customers may be more likely to refer to the mamasan than white customers, though my observation is that the situation is not as simple as a cursory reading of your description might suggest. It's true, I have personally seen mamasans in action in exactly the way you describe. In fact, I wrote about one such instance (with a customer from China) in Pouffes ahoy at Fresh Boy. But I wouldn't suggest that it's a race thing. It's just a confluence of various factors, starting with the fact that perhaps 90% of customers in gogo bars are Asian visitors; many customers (whether East Asian, Southeast Asian, South Asian, Arab, European, or Latin American) are first-time visitors to Thailand and don't know how to negotiate directly with the desired boy (between the boy's weak English and the Asian visitor's weak English, it gets doubly hard); and so it will be unsurprising that most instances when we see mamasans over-quoting the rate to a customer, it will involve an Asian customer. Our observations are skewed by the statistical fact that the great majority of visitors to the gogo bars are Asian. I have seen European visitors ask the mamasan too about rates; they are probably new or infrequent visitors to Thailand, but European customers (both new and wizened) in gogo bars are uncommon. Mamasans are not going to suddenly become non-greedy just because it's a farang customer asking.

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I always feel much more safe with physical locations unless I hire through someone I know. I know Gigolo house lets you hire guys inside the sauna and inside the club at night https://gigolosbogota.com I also know this group was posted here a while ago and I’ve used them a couple of times over there years although the quality of guys has gone down drastically. I typically contact the owner through WhatsApp https://colombiaescorts.co Also someone listed this place https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts-gay/vergones-follones-unicos-cons-eguridad-discrecion-en-chapinero-sede-edificio/25247891/ Anyone know any other places?

Not quite. As younger then me , you don't remember that in ancient Milet price of prostitution was 3 tetradrahmas while daily wage was just 1 and 1/2. Things don't get out of order as you state, it's simply how third world gets out of it's poverty - by being able to get more and more for what they can offer to sell, be it onion , banana or cock. Yes, tourists make things more expensive for locals but on another hand enable other locals to make more decent living by selling more and for more so those things needs to be balanced. Saranrom guys likely wont be asking the same amount if they were hustling in Surwoing. I suspect that in Klong Toey slum one may get girl or boy for much less than Saranrom rates and it's reason why both sex workers and their clients are still living in the slum. Difference in rates is normal everywhere. Upscale , well build call boy in Berlin will charge much much more than narco junkie offering quick BJ in the toilet of ZOO Banhof, no ?

As someone who lived in Bogota, I always prefer going to a location even if you hire from a location like a Gigolo House or Theatron and I know a brother here. Anytime you invite someone black that’s either a stranger or you don’t know where they work you enter a risk. If you hire them from somewhere and they know that you know where they work they are less likely to act up. When hiring from Mileroticos you enter a ton of risks with zero protection.

These photos were taken by friends who live or are on holiday in Hatyai. My family home and farm are only a two-hour drive away but we're on high ground. The flooding has been going on for five consecutive days affecting 690,000 people in Hatyai alone but Anutin only woke up to the magnitude of this disaster yesterday. Meanwhile, volunteer rescue missions from Malaysia and Singapore have been going in since last Sunday. The upcoming SEA Games events that have been scheduled in Songkhla will likely be relocated to Bangkok and Chonburi. Here's a sample of the kind of messages I've been receiving from friends stranded there. The last bit reads like an excerpt from Anne Frank. 23.28 น. ตอนนี้ก็ยังนั่งอยู่ที่บ้าน รอเรืออพยพ พร้อมๆกับเพื่อนบ้านทั้งซอย11/1และซ.12ที่รอคอยกันอย่างมีความหวังว่ามีเรือมาช่วย โดยเฉพาะซ.12 ที่แม้กระทั่งเสียงเป่านกหวีดขอความช่วยเหลือยังดังแบบระโหยโรยแรง คนเป่าคงหมดแรง ตอนนี้ทุกคนในซอยไม่มีใครกล้านอนสักคน คอยเงี่ยหูฟังเสียงเรือกันทุกบ้าน สลับกันตื่นมาสอดส่อง ตอนนี้ระดับน้ำอยู่ที่ขั้นบันไดเหลืออีก5ขั้นจะขึ้นถึงชั้น2 ยังรอคอยกันต่อไป 11:28 PM. I'm still sitting at home, waiting for the evacuation boat, along with neighbors in both Soi 11/1 and Soi 12, who are all waiting with hope for a boat to arrive. In Soi 12, especially, even the whistle for help is becoming faint. The whistler must be exhausted. No one in the alley dares to sleep. Everyone is listening carefully for the boat's sound, taking turns waking up to keep an eye out. The water level is now at the top of the stairs, with five steps left to reach the second floor. We're still waiting.

actually I have my doubts whether you are correct as over years on this forum I'm always busy reminding readers to talk to boy directly, s as you advise, instead of talking to mamasan who may be inclined to inflate price hoping for cut of increase for himself . And yet , next trip report and we hear the same story ' mamasan told me xxx baht"

Truly dreadful floods in the south. The video gives a sense of the scale. https://youtu.be/9UiqmID9dxM

Perhaps they know that Bangkok middle class is quite sizable and many gay members from that class would not even entertain to patronize lowly, in their opinion , Silom ghetto venues. And rentmen guys cash in on that inclination. Walk to any of Bangkok multiple malls and one may observe local people feasting on 500 baht dishes which can be had for 150 in the next block . Who buys those 700 baht underwear if in Silom market similar can be obtained for 100 ? and yet somebody does. Jey Spa is kind of upscale place and most of times when I was there , other patrons seemed to be local guys on their lunch break or after work foray. so I'd say , it's not a hidden market at all - it can be seen day after day in Icon Siam, Siam Paragon and the like.

those which are closing , probably no. Those which stay open, some for quite a long time, probably yes. Am I concerned ? Not at all

He is absolutely right! Across all ages and places, the average price of prostitution is a daily wage. It's just when first world tourists meet second and third world prostitutes, that things get out of order. Whereas in Saranrom (streettrade, predominantly local market with Thai customers and Thai providers) boys still go for 500. When I was in Myanmar in January, prices as low as 30k MMK (about 6 USD) tip for one hour massage and happy ending. I have to admit I have problems finding boys for 1000 on the apps. I haven't been to Bangkok gogo bars for 6 years because I disapprove of their pricing. It is very important to distinguish what is asked for or offered and what is actually settled as a deal. I didn't know and would never know (different tip expectations for non-Thai Asian and Farang). Whereas that Thai (and I as a foreigner speaking Thai) can get it considerably cheaper, I'm aware of and take advantage of.

I don't see the problem (putting my hands on mocy driver's shoulders, with or without my suitcase between us).

Not for a long time over 15 years ...are guys still there at night or are they more ladyboys?

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Can anybody here imagine these Jomtien Complex bars making money? Maybe the most profitable business is that of a redecorator, considering the way these bars come and go.

New rumblings from the MAGAverse........ word on the street is that JD Maybeline Vance is "mulling" the possibility of DUMPING his BROWN Hindu wife for a WHITE Queen...Erika Kirk, widow of MAGA maniac Charlie Kirk, to position himself better with that base for a 2028 Presidential run..... She DOES seem to FANCY him !

The bar under Hotmale is Midnight bar; it is not under Fresh Boys. All the other open-front bars in the area are either for men interested in boobs or men interested in getting sloshed. The "older Thai gentleman" you refer to is probably a barker for Hotmale, Fresh Boys or Dream Boy. Likely, there are more than one taking his job seriously.

Agree with @llz. Unless you were flying due south for at least 30 minutes, it would have been impossible to see the flooding in the south. To the north of Bangkok there is a much lesser degree of flooding after the Chao Phraya dischage rate was increased. Even though that took place three months ago, some parts of Ayutthaya Province remain under some water.

What is the bar located under Hotmale? I stopped there for a drink before going to Hotmale as I was too early. I was the only customer at that time. Noticed several other bars, but wasn't sure if they were primarily gay bars, mixed clientele, or what the scene actually was. One had a pool table as I recall, but I don't remember seeing the sofa that has been mentioned. There was also some older Thai gentleman walking up and down the Soi in front of the bars rather aggressively trying to persuade people to go to one particular bar. I avoided that one because of him.

That is the flight I was on with a transfer in Hong Kong continuing on to San Francisco. Even though the flight was continuing on to Los Angeles, everyone had to exit the plane in Hong Kong. I mentioned about the increased security, which you said was because of the final destination being in the US.

I cannot speak specifically about Northwestern, but I know from a friend who worked for a different company that this is pretty standard operating procedure. Scams come disguised in many ways, and all of us have probably fallen for at least one during our lifetime. Companies take advantage of everyone...interns and employees, potential customers...They certainly wouldn't find 200 contacts on my phone. Just checked and currently there are 61 in my contact list. Most of those are family or friends all around my age who do exactly what I do...never answer the phone. If it is important, they will leave a voice mail, send me a text, or send me an email asking me to call. Never return sales calls...ever.

There was supposedly an episode of the BBC schools radio series "Music and Movement" (1930s to 1960s, target audience 5-6 year olds) where the innocent lady presenter asked some very personal questions "are your balls high up or low down" ect ect.