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Yes there is a grey fluid between them 😁

Anyone else notice -- for the past 35 years -- that it's Always the Republican presidents who drag us into Middle Eastern wars, and always under dubious "justification": Bush Sr. -- Kuwait (also invaded Panama) Bush Jr. -- Afghanistan and Iraq and now Trump -- Iran (also Venezuela, etc.) That's the same guy who campaigned on "no new wars" and promised to end Russia's war on Ukraine when he became "Dictator on Day One." Is anyone noticing a pattern yet?

To be fair, he said 'disappointing massages..'

We both had disappointing massage and afters.

Earlier today I came across an old Huffington Post article from 2014 updated to 2017. Given the changing fortunes of Hong Kong there were those who forecast a bright future - like the last pre-July 1 1997 Governor Christopher Patten - and those whose crystal balls predicted a much murkier future. I have made no attempt to to disguise my dislike of Patten, both as a Hong Kong Governor (from 1992)and subsequently as the Chairman of the BBC Board of Governors - a post from which he was fired. I did meet him just once in a very casual setting. He knew nothing about me and my work and he was clearly much more occupied looking around for someone more interesting to chat with. Fair enough. I could never blame someone for that. No, as I have written before, I resented him for his childishly secret - to all but a BBC TV team which he paid to come to Hong Kong several times to witness his shenanigans - attempts to find faults in the two documents which Britain and China had jointly signed laying out Hong Kong's future. They made perfetly clear that not a word could be altered without both parties having agreed in writing. Patten set out to embarrass China into putting Hong Kong on to a much more democratic path. One of those who felt this decade-long faint-hearted attempt at democracy was belated stupidity was a man named John Walden who had been a senior official in the government for decades. As the territory's Director for Home Affairs, he said this - "If I personally find it difficult to believe in the sincerity of this sudden and unexpected official enthusiasm for democratic politics it is because throughout the 30 years I was an official myself, from 1951 to 1981, 'democracy' was a dirty word. Officials were convinced that the introduction of democratic politics into Hong Kong would be the quickest and surest way to ruin Hong Kong's economy and create social and political instability." In 1975, hardly anyone in Hong Kong cared about democracy. There was not even a democratic party - finally formed in 1995. It was Patten who, often secretly, encouraged the rise of democracy, and to hell with what China thought. Yet Hong Kong was dependent on China continuing Hong Kong's laissez-faire attitude to politics and its way of life after 1997. Hong Kong people, most of whom had emigrated from desperately poor circumstances in China, were more interested in a roof over their heads, money in the bank and education for their children. So when Patten unilaterally announced major changes to the Joint Agreements, the Chinese government was as livid as the UK government would have been had the boot been on the other foot. China then cancelled what had been termed the "through train" in terms of how the territory was going to be run and instead installed its own administration. But the democratic forces deliberately unleashed by Patten ewere a Pandora's Box. They took root 15 years later in the student body. And as the world knows, even after demonstration and more demonstrations China did nothing. But eventually it could tolerate it no more, as it became obvious that Hong Kong political views were being aired in the mainland. Thus the clampdown of three years ago and the end of democracy in Hong Kong. Hong Kong which I shall visit again tomorrow is now devoid of the freedoms it once enjoyed and all because one pig-headed man with zero experience of China who should never have been appointed Governor thought he could outwit the old guard in Beijing. He totally failed and thus condemned Hong Kong to a less bright future. In my view John Walden and his government colleagues with similar views was spot on.

As an option later in the evening, even if satisfied earlier, a good time is usually had by going to the bars without the intention of off-ing anyone. Just have a drink with a guy or two, watch the show and see a bunch of dicks 😅

Getting back to the title of the thread, air travel around the Gulf region looks like it will be in chaos for several more days with several major airports still closed. There will then be a period of several days while airllines get planes and flight staff back to where they should be. I feel sorry for those who have booked flights to and from Asia via the Gulf at this time.

Unfortunately, the situation has not changed. The traffic back to the hotel is quite bad during day time as it would often have a jam. Hotel name is Grand Mercure Bangkok Atrium. There is shuttle bus to Petchaburi station but it is not frequent so I might need to walk to the MRT if I miss it. Like what you mentioned, if I wanted to get on BTS, I would still need to change trains at the interchange at Asok. I ended up grabbing quite a lot, and the next time I go to Bangkok (hopefully soon), I would prefer to stay near a BTS. Personally, I would not stay in Petchaburi area again =(.

S’Sense Before I continue, I will just preface that S’Sense was the best experience I had for the whole trip and it was after the bad experience I had with C. The booking process is the same, but this time, I booked for 2 hours compared to the earlier ones I booked (1.5 hrs only) as when I searched the forums, the sentiments have been positive so I gave this place 2 hours. 2 hours was for 1450 and the admin shared an extra infographic sharing, normal massage 100-200 tip, hand job 500 tip, body to body massage 900 tip. I picked my guy (D), and told admin I wanted the body to body massage one. I had arrived slightly earlier for this by 10 mins and in the shop, there were multiple boys sitting in. I went in and showed the receptionist my booking and took a seat. D was actually sitting in the shop too haha, he brought me 5 different oils to choose and was smiling when he greeted me. He looked great, muscular, like a bodybuilder lol. After choosing the oil, he escorted me to a separate compound away from the shop for the massage. We chatted a bit while we were walking and I found out that 90% of S’Sense customers were tourists, instead of locals. At the separate compound, he changed my slippers and led me to the room for me to shower. After showering, he came in and confirmed if I wanted the body to body which I replied yes. He also asked about what massage pressure I prefer, which I said soft. He stripped to his undies in front of me while I looked and it was hot, big arms, pecs and abs lol. I lied down and he started doing the massage. During the massage, which started out clean, he would brush his face and breath at my butt/back. At times, he would also kiss my back and that built the tension well. When it moved to the body to body portion, it was amazing lol. I could sense that he stripped his undies and went to wash himself before placing his body against my back. We did literally everything you can think of except him fucking me, like everything. D grinded his huge thick cock at my ass while playing with my nipples from behind. There was a mirror at the side so I could see him doing that. D held my hands while he placed his cock between my thighs to dry hump me. He even ate my ass (I waxed beforehand). He was the only one who did that among all the experiences I had. We did other things, kissing, sucking, licking my balls, fucking me between the thighs etc...I will not go into further details lol. At a certain point of jerking me off, I had to stop him. He asked me why and I told him I didn’t want to cum so soon (as from my previous few experiences, they would end and ask me to shower after). He reassured me that massage will continue and I came while sitting on top of him, touching his chest and grinding my ass on his cock. What sets this experience apart from the others was that after cumming, the massage still continued. I was looking at a hot guy’s silhouette massaging me while we were chatting. I told him about how I chose him and my bad experience at Klover (apparently he knows about Klover’s existence, however I kept the masseur name anonymous as I wasn't there to badmouth anybody). He was like "awww poor thing", and he kissed my hand when I told him he made it better. Then I told him i wanted on the lips, he also went down to give it to me lol. D also gave me a head massage and personally I am a fan of head massages so that is a plus point. HOWEVER, what happened next surprised me. He kissed my forehead during the head massage. This was something I didn’t experience before in my life lol. My eyes were actually closed during the head massage but I was surprised and opened to see him smiling at me. Our position was me lying on the bed and he was at the top of the bed facing me upside down. Then he went down and did the Spider-Man kiss (go google it, it was exactly like that). After he did it once, he asked if I wanted more and I said please. Then he continued and we did it a few times lol. I was smiling and giggling like a high school kid plus I got hard again even though I had just cum. D noticed it, rubbed me and laughed. He told me to rest while he showered and I was lying on the bed watching him shower which looks great btw. After my shower, he was nice enough to dry me off too. I also tipped him above the minimum 900 requested. We traded LINE contact but he told me to keep quiet about it as staff were not supposed to do so with customers. Outside the room, he brought me some tea and cookies. He asked me to leave him a Google review, which I gladly agreed and did it in front of him. Definitely 5 star or even 6 star service haha. We hugged and kissed goodbye before he sent me off. I told him I would definitely choose him again if I return to Bangkok. (and i definitely will if I have the opportunity). When he brought me out of the building, he asked me to pinky promise that I would see him again next time haha. 2 random people sitting outside were looking at us pinky swearing at the door haha.

As I mentioned last year, I got lucky at Green Massage, chose good looking guy, asked for body massage. They had rooms upstairs, aand was fucking him within 15 mins! I can't remember about the massage!

😒 Always good to have these first hand reports. Crowd-sourced info with multiple data points always useful. You said "two of us". Why was the other party disappointed?

Any recommendations for Marseille? Toulon? Hustler? Sauna with escorts?

More good options - thanks. It looks as though I'll have plenty of time to try a few of them - I'm booked to fly to London tomorrow night, but it's with Qatar Airways, so realistically it'll be several days / weeks before I'm flying back.

+1 for Avarin if you want massage. Most boys are skilled well. Never used them for any kind of happy ending or even for flirt, but for massage all I tried were more than OK. And all are superfriendly. They have no "minimal tips to masseur" policy.

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The standards were settled by US far ago. As I wrote in another thread "Trump isn't first, Trump will be not last".

Try Green and/or Avarin massage on Surawong. HJ or more is not guaranteed but chances are fairly good. Also, mostly decent massage skills in both places.

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I'm not sure I'll give it another go 🙂 But that seat might well have been the problem. Qatar used to be my favorite airline when I lived in `Vietnam. They had great legroom on their flights from Ho Chi Minh City to Bangkok in economy. Qsuites is still something I want to do. Thankfully I have not booked through any of the middle Eastern Airlines. Flight are all cancelled from here. I'm also lucky that I booked my flight last Friday. A day later and even the economy tickets were 2k. Today is my flight with Condor and I'll update my experience with their seats.

Two of us went to Prestige recently but neither of us will be going again. Disappointing massages and afters. My masseur acted shocked at the very idea that he might take even his shirt off, let alone anything else, towards the end of my massage!

I share Unicorn's desire to visit Iran. Unfortunately, they are known to take western hostages and I have many familial links to the US military and intelligence community, so travel today seems very, very unwise. I very much hope one day a better Iran emerges that I might be able to visit.

Yup, America Fuck Yeah! We can kick anybody's ass. We often do. What happens after? Who cares, cause fuck yeah, we kicked their ass! Did you see how we freedom'd those terrorist muthafuckers into the ground. America! Freedom! Freedom and Guns! Guns and some Freedom, but especially Guns! Guns are Freedom! If you shoot them, it's freedom, so they deserved it. Let's freedom the world! We're going to need a LOT of ammunition for that! (I am appalled by the behavior of the current administration, and by much of my country's historical behavior. I can mock it, but I can't change it. But none of that excuses similar behavior in others. If we condemn it, we condemn it everywhere with what small influence we have on the outcome. Often merely our voices.)

On a personal note, I'd sure like to be able to safely visit Iran one of these days. Hopefully it won't remain a theocracy until the day I die.